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Is It Worth Developing For PS3?

 June 22, 2009 09:25 AM
 


The business model for console games in this generation is not a good one. Games are very expensive to develop but most make a loss, it is only the occasional hits that keep the industry going.

The reason the games cost so much to make is that the consoles are far more content hungry than previous generations of machines yet are not powerful enough to use the large swathes of middleware necessary to reduce production costs.

And the market has changed. Increasingly each product niche is owned by just one title, which can sell massively. All the competitors to that dominant title sell in far smaller numbers than they did in previous generations. Making a "me too" title is no longer a good idea, now you have to try and ensure that each title you release dominates its niche, something EA (for instance) have failed to do.

[Related -Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) Earnings Preview: What To Watch In Q2 Results?]

In this generation the Wii is by far the cheapest to develop for because it is not HD. However game sales are dominated by Nintendso first party titles and much that has come from third parties has been shovelware dross that is a waste of everyone's time. Here, one again, are the rules for Wii game development:
1) Don't do shovelware. You are just damaging your brand(s).
2) Write Wii specific titles. Don't port. You have to respect the interface difference.
3) Understand that most Wiis live in the lounge. And most other consoles live in the bedroom.
4) Polish, lots. Then polish some more.
5) Realise that you have to provide entertainment for the population at large. FPS titles are not a good idea.
6) You need to market completely differently. PR in women's magazines will work a lot better than adverts in game magazines.
7) Talk to your wife/girlfriend. They understand the Wii better than you do.

[Related -Microsoft Corporation (MSFT): Good Buy or Good-Bye?]

The Microsoft Xbox 360 has been a huge success as a platform to develop for. It has simple, elegant, architecture and Microsoft have supported it with good tools, as you would expect from a software company. No surprise then that Metacritic lists 645 games for the Xbox 360 against 425 for the Wii and only 351 for the Sony Playstation PS3.

The problems of the PS3 are multiple. It has a quirky new CPU architecture and a poor GPU which acts as a bottleneck, hobbling the capabilities of the machine. If this weren't enough there is the unavoidable fact that the PS3 isn't selling very well. We are in mid cycle now, the point at which sales volumes should be ramping up. And for the PS3, they aren't. The main reason for this is price, the PS3 is still vastly too expensive for the market and is cruelly exposed by the bargain that is the Xbox 360.

Sony are caught between a rock and a hard place. The PS3 design contained so many newly developed bits that it was, and remains, very expensive to manufacture. But Sony are not in good financial health so do not have the resources to subsidise a price reduction. Already they have lost billions on the PS3 project. It has proved to be probably the biggest loss maker in the history of video gaming.

And now things are getting even worse for Sony. Activision is the biggest game publisher and their boss is Bobby Kotick. He is not happy with the PS3: "I'm getting concerned about Sony; the PlayStation 3 is losing a bit of momentum and they don't make it easy for me to support the platform. It's expensive to develop for the console, and the Wii and the Xbox are just selling better. Games generate a better return on invested capital on the Xbox than on the PlayStation". And this unhappiness becomes a threat: "They have to cut the price, because if they don't, the attach rates are likely to slow. If we are being realistic, we might have to stop supporting Sony".

In the real world very few games are actually developed for the PS3. They are mainly developed for the Xbox 360 and then converted to run on the PS3. So things are very bad when that conversion cost is becoming uneconomic.

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6/22/2009 9:49:19 AM
Heh by Mornelithe
Costs aside, it's a 23 million consumer large segment of the gaming population.  Combine that with the fact that any developer who wants to try and pull PS3 support, can most certainly except some other nasty things to occur, in the case of Activision, Sony owns the rights to Spiderman and James Bond movies (and their games).  The licenses could be yanked.  If that's not bad enough, add in all of the Sony artists in Guitar Hero and DJ Hero.  If Sony had those yanked, yes, you'd see a severe pinch in Activision's budget, even moreso than any costs associated with PS3 developement.  Interestingly, Konami/Kojima studios never seemed to have this problem.  Possibly an issue with the quality of Activisions games, maybe? ;)


Morne
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6/22/2009 9:50:38 AM
Heh by Mornelithe
Additionally, Sony could always boost the royalties on PS2 games, for Activision alone.  Now THAT would be a big hit.

Morne
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6/22/2009 10:38:00 AM
New PS3's are cheap Crap! by Brianm
Selling a $400.00 stripped down 80 gb model is ridiculous, bad deal.

No backwards, only 2 USBs, No card Readers, cheap plastic front, and Blu Ray Machine are now almost 99$.

Poor management.
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I would take a $400 stripped down version of a Ps3 than a $300 piece of shit that will breakdown. Lol! @ Bluray players being $100 from where you crack headed mom? Explain to me why Microsoft charges 150 for a 120 gig hdd when I can by a 500 gig internal hdd for ps3 for $89. That 200 360 is a waste of time cause your gonna go by wifi a hdd and a recargable battery pack wich will make it more than a ps3. Did you pass math class. The ps3 has a way better design and interface than 360. Exclusive for exclusive ps3 owns 360. Microsoft has to bribe game makers to support their system cause it's crap.
I agree, Brian. Their decision to remove backwards compatibility and remove hardware functionality has only confused the consumer. To the previous reply, the 360 has had massive problems in the past, but the current models are solid. I do agree with you on the HDD prices though. I haven't worried about wireless, because wired is the way to go for online gaming. My big problem with the PS3 is the cheap feel of the controller. The 360 controller is the most comfortable one that I have ever used. Just an opinion.
6/22/2009 10:53:55 AM
What? by VinTheDean
So now 23 Million Units sold is bad.  Since When!!!!!

When PS3 was released it was 8 Million consoles behind the it's competition.  Guess what.  It's still 8 Million Consoles behind the competition. If that gap was widening I would agree with you.  But it has not.  They have kept pace with the competition.

And just like you stated, these new games have more content than before.  I think the reason why the attach rate of the PS3 is lower than most would "want" is because the games last longer.  I am now spending days (all hours added together) playing one game versus hours playing 4 or 5 games (compared to my PS2 Days).

The PS3 price drop will occur this fall.  During the console's third (3rd) year.  Hey, isn't that when Xbox's price cut was.  In the console's third year of it's life cycle, right.  Makes sense if you really think about it.

You have two products with two different lifecycles.  Please please please keep this in mind.

When it comes to developing for it, this is where I give it M$.  Since the Xbox functions just like a PC, the developers have a low (really low) learning curve.  The PS3 has a huge learning curve.  But look at what is possible if the time is spent learning it.  You have great multiplatform games (COD4 & 6:MW2, EA Sports Games, Devil May Cry, Assassin's Creed, Burnout Paradise, etc).  Then you have awesome exclusives (MGS4, Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank, Resistance, Killzone2, etc). I know that there several flops out there (Ghostbusters, Half Life 2, etc.)

These games are evident that it is very possible to put out a very solid game on the PS3 that also looks and plays great.

If the developer does not invest the time into the console how can it expect to the get the returns into the console.  If you only go in with 50% you will get back 50% if you are lucky. See Developers like EA, Insomniac, Guerilla Games, Konami, Naughty Dog, and Media Molecule.

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6/22/2009 12:35:15 PM
Fuck Activision! by Ja
   That's bullshit! Why dont you just just design the game for Ps3 and port it to 360 and save everyone the hassle of dealing all the lies you tell. Fuck you and Valve. Sony supplies everyone with a ps3 programming tools. Why don't you use them. Why don't you just say you don't want to develop for Ps3 because Microsoft  is lining your pockets.  You tell more lies than Bush and treating the gaming industry like the economy. I believe you just as I believed Iraq had WMD's. Fucking greedy ass liars.
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Programming for the PS3 is more complex and costly. Even the developers who are PS3 exclusive concede that. Have your opinions, but don't be so closed minded.
actually Insomniac probably one of the biggest PS3 developers out there has state that the PS3 is easier to program for than the PS2 you just have to know what you are doing with it and it will make some AMAZING stuff and that is why all the First part or PS3 exclusive games for PS3 look WAY better than 360
6/22/2009 12:54:42 PM
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I would take a $400 stripped down version of a Ps3 than a $300 piece of shit that will breakdown. Lol! @ Bluray players being $100 from where you crack headed mom? Explain to me why Microsoft charges 150 for a 120 gig hdd when I can by a 500 gig internal hdd for ps3 for $89. That 200 360 is a waste of time cause your gonna go by wifi a hdd and a recargable battery pack wich will make it more than a ps3. Did you pass math class. The ps3 has a way better design and interface than 360. Exclusive for exclusive ps3 owns 360. Microsoft has to bribe game makers to support their system cause it's crap.
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6/22/2009 3:50:00 PM
by lee mitchell
lol are you having fun stroking the xbox mr author? because instead of listing facts how about you get out there and tell how sony to fix their problem since you obviously see one...you have to think of it in the way of of course ps3 isnt going to sell as much as the wii or the xbox..they took a new approach to an actual premium package so its like comparing ferrari sales to that of a cadillac...
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6/22/2009 3:50:38 PM
by zoo
Worldwide console sales for 2008:

Xbox 360: 10.8million
PlayStation 3: 10.77million

Yes, as you can see, the PS3 is clearly in big trouble. Nevermind the fact that some of the largest publishers in the videogame business (EA, Ubisoft etc) all made more money on the PS3 in 2008 than they did on the Xbox 360.

Hmm... clearly Sony is struggling. Actually wait no, they're doing really well :o
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It's funny what a little bit of research does in proving people wrong. Obviously the xbox fanboys are getting sick of Halo 3 and have nothing else to do so they'll just throw out any baseless article to discredit the PS3.
Sony lost 587 million in their gaming division last year and still lose $40 - $75 per system they sell. I have also seen those numbers, but you have to pay attention. In many of those reports, the Sony numbers are PSP, PS2 and PS3 combined, as opposed to the Microsoft numbers being 360 only.
Funny that you look at the numbers for a total year to make your point. If you "do a little research", you will find that the PS3 was dominating to start 2008 and by the end of the year was reeling. this trend is continuing into 2009. the PS3 might have more console specific titles this year(because of the development timeline), but not next... The publishers can see the trends and will avoid not going multiplatform!
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=X360®3=All&weeks=190&gr_i_ni i always have to bring this out. as you can see the PS3 has sold more than the 360 at this point in its life time and the ONLY reason the 360 has more consoles out there is because it had a year head start. now as far as 2008 goes the ONLY reason the 360 started to sell more is because of the price cut that happened funny how you dont mention that in your numbers and yes i will agree that Sony does need a price cut for the PS3 but as soon as that happens PS3's will be selling way better than the 360 once again
6/22/2009 3:55:34 PM
Bias showing by Me
It shows so much bias against Sony and the PS3 it hurts the argument itself. EA and other developers say the exact opposite Activions CO lame attempt at menacing Sony. If I was a big shot at Sony I would say:

"So, We'll be missing you guys. We had a lot of good revenue together, but since its not working for you, I understand you wanna out. Ok. Remember to let our singers and proprietary IPs out of your games from now on too. Lets hope the fact that X360 and PC games can be 'easily' download (FOR FREE!!!) from the Net wont hurt you sales, cuz, you know, we hadnt been hacked (yet). Oh, and when we do drop our price, and our far better exclusive tittle hit, our installed base will be playing our more faithfull partners games, and maybe if they still got some spare time, they'll try some of your games (that arent MW2, because its the only tittle Activision has that interest us). See ya around!"
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6/22/2009 3:58:54 PM
by jito
What a shame I clicked on the link before knowing who wrote this article. No surprise then. When you cite arguments like the number of games listed in metacritic without even thinking that one of the consoles came a year earlier...no comment (go count the number of games on PS2 then mister clever "journalist"). Finishing the article with the ridiculous rant of Bobby which company earns 50% of its revenue solely from the playstation brand is the icing on the cake. You`re one dumb, hit seeker friend eh.
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i do find it funny how there is no mention from activison about the PS2 and how that prob makes more money per game than the 360 does or w/e but who cares you know. and i want to know how many of those game are like over 80% or w/e cuz that is the true test to how good the games are not how many you have but now many you have that people actually want to play
6/22/2009 4:11:40 PM
by Bruce
Oh no, is this Bruce on Games?  Ahhhh... he's everywhere, like a bad dream.  I thought he was done spewing on N4G.  He's like Jason from F13th.  Once he is down, he gets right back up (and defends the 360).
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6/22/2009 4:23:50 PM
by WWII
Love these kind of articles with their 'facts' - that's about the only thing that's quirky.

'mid-cycle' - since when is 2 years old (UK) mid cycle, I think you'll find there is 3 more years until we hit mid-cycle?

'quirky new CPU architecture and a poor GPU which acts as a bottleneck,
hobbling the capabilities of the machine' - yer, uncharted, KZ2,
infamous, GT5, LBP, Ratchet, MGS4, Mstorm + more tell me otherwise. I'm not a developer or games designer but I know that the PS3 has
some of the best looking and most advanced games available, so I guess
the 'quirky new CPU architecture and poor GPU' can't be a problem for
some developers.

'PS3 isn't selling very well' - need i remind you again, it is selling
as quick (if not quicker) than the PS2, and it's most direct competitor
the 360 in the same time frame.
--------------------------------------------------

Now come on Bruce! Say it! You do this for the hits right?!
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actually the PS3 is about 10 million shy of the PS2 at this point they were even for about a year and a half then in year two BAM there goes the PS2, however it is about 3 million higher than the 360 at this point in the is lifecycle http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=X360®3=All&weeks=168&gr_i_ni
6/22/2009 4:47:14 PM
by A real gamer
"The problems of the PS3 are multiple. It has a quirky new CPU architecture and a poor GPU which acts as a bottleneck,
hobbling the capabilities of the machine. If this weren’t enough there
is the unavoidable fact that the PS3 isn’t selling very well. We are in
mid cycle now, the point at which sales volumes should be ramping up.
And for the PS3, they aren’t. The main reason for this is price, the
PS3 is still vastly too expensive for the market and is cruelly exposed
by the bargain that is the Xbox 360"

This guy dond't know what he talking about.
No one know the true power of the GPU (RSX) only Sony and Nvidia know that.

The most and i mean 99% from the developers see the GPU from the PS3 as a x86 arcitectuur and they work like a X86 arcitectuur, and that is not the way they handle.

The RSX is a very powerfull GPU i know it's more powerfull than a Xenos from ati. Look at KIllzone 2,Uncharted 2 and even REAL FULL 1080p HD is powered by the RSX, you never see that in the 360 .

The RSX is develop with the Cell processor to work to gether and with 256 MB XDR RAM it's a very and very fast to communicate with both hardware and not to mentuon the other 256 GDDR3.

The PS3 sells better than 360, if you see 2,2 years at 23 Milion vs 3.5 years from the 360 with 30 Milion consoles even with a 400,- Euro proce tag beat the PS3 the 360 in sales.

Some 3 party developers earn more on the PS3 version. :)

O yeah.......................do you know that are many people buy the 360 for the 2 or 3 time ;)

Sorry for my bad English dude's





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He is right about the RSX. Research the technical articles comparing the two GPUs. It is not an opinion. The PS3 does many, many things better than the 360, but it does indeed have an inferior GPU.
6/22/2009 4:48:36 PM
by gunnar2906
Bryce Everiss is known MS supporter.
He used to write his absursd articles about PS3 technological disadvantages and now begin to publish his ideas here. If he wrote being self-proclamed "games veteran" before, but now he plays the role of "stock analyst".
In a few words this article just a few small gazoline  drops in the fire of stupidity, some people are trying to kindle up from a little sparkle that Activision's boss created a few days ago...
The main question I asked myself reading all this stuff - who this all was written for? Developers? Publishers? No, it is for someone who are not expected to be experienced much in subtleties technologies or programming.
Being a "veteran", "analyst", or even an older person it is just unaccectable to write articles like that. It might be a "kitchen" opinion of a fanboy or dabbler, but I have to beg a pardon not to publish such ridiculous ideas anymore. Let developers and publishers decide what to program for. 
Sorry my bad english.
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6/22/2009 4:53:28 PM
Very poor indeed. by Sean Parsons
Referring to your own article to back up some claim about the GPU being "poor" and "a bottleneck" is pretty much about the worst kind of journalism/analysis there is.

Some massive generalisation is made about the tools available for the 360, when Sony have made a cross-platform engine called PhyreEngine available that several developers have released successful titles based on.  Which is a full 3D engine and not just a series of APIs like Direct3D.

Mentioning sales without using actual numbers is a great way to ignore what the actual sales are.  Europe seems to be doing about neck and neck numbers, with titles like Resident Evil 5 selling similar numbers even here in the UK.  US has it at 2/3 of the sales of the 360 even though it is a "bargain".  In Asia the 360 barely registers with the PS3 leading sales even over the Wii for 2 months in Japan in the last few months.
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OOPS!!! another lack of "Research" in a comment. Try heading to VGchartz.com this site has some info for you to look at. In Japan, the PS3 is selling 9-10K per week and the lowely 360 is selling 7-8k per week(only a 2-3K per week difference in the homeland... Also, in Europe and the US, the XBOX is outselling the PS3 by 8-10K per week in EACH region. Over the past 12 months, the XBOX360 has outsold the PS3 by over a million units!!!!
6/22/2009 4:54:49 PM
by Json
Wow!  Sony fanboys are so touchy these days! LOL
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6/22/2009 4:54:56 PM
The F$ks @ n4g removed my comment by sak500
The guy on the top saying 23million users, he's probably adding the 17 million movie watchers who bought the p3 and added to actual gaming audience of 6million. Look at the pathetic sales figures of their overly hyped games like mgs4 and kz2 failing to garner even 6million gamers. I'd think all devs/publishers shud stop supporting the pos3 and just develop for the king of this gen the xbox360. wii is just a pos console for old people.
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lol failed to sell 6 million? So 6 million is now the benchmark for games? I can see why your comment was removed, stupidity should be a crime.
Better to have your numbers increased from people using it to play movies than having to buy new ones when they break... same with discs, since blu-ray doesn't scratch. So with console sales increased due to rebuys, disc sales inscreased largely from rebuys (gamefly, blockbuster etc), and the over all morons who think the 360 is cheaper, then I agree that the 360 is king this gen, the king of ripping people off to make money. Enjoy the graphics my pc had 5 years ago on your exclusives though.
I would agree with his post by saying that it is unfortunate that the PS3 only games seem to flounder(poor ad support) and small userbase. Every title should be multiplatform, and then let us consumers decide. I have all three current Gen consoles and each has their own merits... Wii for family/group games, the 360 for indiviual or sports games and the PS# for a BluRay player and an occasional demo of a game that i won't bother to pay $60 for...
i think the PS3 only games just sell poorly because they are marketed poorly i mean Sony is just not doing very well with the ads and stuff like inFAMOUS was the most hyped game from Sony as far as ads go and to me it wasnt even close to enough they barely showed that but like M$ just has ad after ad on tv and on sites of this stuff. and if you look at the nitty gritty you will see that the PS3 is cheaper i mean seriously 50 bucks a year to play online? and 150 for 120 GB hard drive? 100 for wireless (this along puts you at price of PS3)
6/22/2009 4:55:34 PM
Do some real reporting by realJournalist

"In the real world very few games are actually developed for the PS3. They are mainly developed for the Xbox 360 and then converted to run on the PS3"

Ah the internet, where we can just say anything.  Quite a blanket statement that is.  I think if you do some fact driven reporting you'll find a good number of multi-platform games are now done with the PS3 as lead platform - as EA and Namco and Square Enix for FF13 -  or PC as lead and sometimes platform independent and then optimized for each architecture - in the case of PC/360/PS3 releases - which is exactly what Capcom and the latter what Infinity Ward do.  

 

It pains me to cite the internet for facts, but at least I did some digging.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=36672

http://www.vg247.com/2009/05/12/dante-has-no-lead-platform-says-visceral/

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3168724

http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=21738

http://www.giantbomb.com/mt-framework/92-2059/

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Yeah more and more companies have been using the PS3 as lead platform lately and it is really nice to see but i believe that FF13 was made independently on the 360 and PS3 and was not ported to either
6/22/2009 4:57:44 PM
n4g admin suks by sak500
THE SDF are out in full force on this site. NOt only they ruined n4g now they are attacking any site denouncing their sacred console. If only those few 100 owners could actually take off the blinds and see the real world doesnt care about the pos3.
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6/22/2009 4:58:27 PM
by Tony
The fact that according to financial reports the PS3 was the top money maker for most of the top videogame publishers out there last year is enough to expose this article as pure and complete garbage.

The author is an obvious biased Xbox fanboy, as further confirmed by the last comment on his own article on his website, as well as all his previous "analyst forecasts" on the videogame industry. Has he ever written a single positive statement about Sony or the PS3? I would venture to guess not.

In one of his other older articles on his website, he says that the PS3 is selling very poorly. Despite the fact that the PS3 is selling at about the same rate (units per month) as the 360, and at a much higher price point to boot. A pricecut would help sales even more.

But of course, it's wishful thinking on the author's part for him to say that Sony is "in no financial position to create a pricecut for the PS3." Wishful thinking by an Xbox fanboy, that is.
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6/22/2009 5:00:03 PM
This is bullshit by zee
The author is a complete retard who knows shit about PS3 and how well it's doing.
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6/22/2009 5:05:28 PM
You are a moron by GP
There internet, where retards can pretend to be "journalists"

This author is a complete moron
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6/22/2009 5:14:28 PM
by Cabezon Culiao
For a console that has double the price of it´s competition, is doing extremely well. Do Ferrari sell more than Chevrolet?, Nope, and doesn´t want to either...
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6/22/2009 5:32:12 PM
by yzzlthtz
I wonder if Kotik understands what is happening in the global market and what the ramifications are for Japanese companies - that all Sony products essentially sustained a price cut everywhere but Japan. I also wonder if he knows a thing about marketing and confidentiality. He clearly has a mental disorder of some kind-probably adult ADD. It is heartening to know that people with disabilities can do so well for themselves despite their challenges.
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6/22/2009 5:35:25 PM
by dadas

Someone posted thus on N4G,hohoho

http://www.lazygamer.co.za/xbox-360/ps3-sells-more-games-to-a-smaller-market

http://www.finalfantasyunion.com/news/microsofts-multi-platform-sales-trend-majorly-declining--358.html

http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/10/26/analysis-ps3-selling-more-games-than-xbox-360-with-smaller-install-base/

Xbox 360 is Namco Bandai's worst performing platform
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-6894-SF-Console-Game-Examiner~y2009m5d14-Xbox-360-is-Namcos-worst-performing-platform


PS3 is the top revenue generator for Konami
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-6894-SF-Console-Game-Examiner~y2009m5d16-Playstation-3-is-the-top-revenue-generator-for-Konami


Take-Two list the PlayStation 3 as its biggest revenue generator
http://kotaku.com/5112763/take+two-takes-15-million-loss-for-the-quarter-half+billion-sales-increase-for-year


Capcom to lean on Playstation 3 for software sales
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-6894-SF-Console-Game-Examiner~y2009m5d8-Capcom-to-lean-on-Playstation-3-for-Software-Sales


Electronic Arts 
Platform Net Revenue Mix (as a % of Net Revenue) 
Q1 FY2009 
PS3-17% 
360-10%


EA's Q4 '08 Earnings report - .PDF 
http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ERTS/449748919x0x205801/b5229035-2624-4a11-bcee-6dc5645f5ffe/Earnings%20Release.pdf

Page 12

EA's Q1 '09 Earnings report - .PDF 
http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ERTS/449748919x0x224094/e1ecc906-8998-4361-97bb-86d774c4dfb4/Q109EAER.pdf

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UBISOFT 
Breakdown of Sales by platform 
PS3-20% 
360-14% 

http://www.edge-online.com/news/ubisoft-q1-sales-26-€169-million




PS3 is UbiSoft's top sales generator for 2008

http://www.n4g.com/News-319845.aspx





http://www.n4g.com/News-264629.aspx

"It seems this may becoming trend, as UbiSoft is reporting a similar story. So far for the fiscal year of 2008, 21% of the publisher's sales have come from the PS3. Of the three home consoles, that is the largest percent, with Microsoft's XBox 360 trailing at 20% and the Wii at 15%. This is quite a mix up from the 2007 fiscal year, where the 360 actually had the highest amount of sales out of all platforms at 25%."



Konami 
FY2009 Q1 

Consoles 
PS3 57.3 % 
PS2 11.5 % 
Wii 9.9 % 
360 2.6 %

http://www.n4g.com/News-179893.aspx

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6/22/2009 5:40:50 PM
Amusing by Cayal
I seriously wonder if people bother doing any research any more.
The PS3, on yearly average sales, actually sells better then the 360 (approx 10 million vs 9.3 million per year), it also reached 20 million consoles faster in terms of months then the 360.
Add the fact that the PS3 is still expensive and you have an impressive sales rate.
It is simply proven with the WORLDWIDE statistics available, that the 360 is only 'beating' the PS3 because it was released sooner.
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6/22/2009 5:43:57 PM
Amusing by Cayal
lol failed to sell 6 million? So 6 million is now the benchmark for games? I can see why your comment was removed, stupidity should be a crime.
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6/22/2009 5:59:16 PM
by N1

First of all i think your article is a false and here is why you decide to make an article based on the news that activision is thinking on leaving Sony and you saw this opportunity to attack Sony in saying that it is expensive and that it is hard to program and try to put it wisely so people think that your talking like you know what you are saying but thats not true. In numerous cases the problem is like most developers say is that when you do a game on the 360 it is very difficult to port over to the PS3 because of the cpu and so on is different from the 360  but if you developed from the start is better and more economic than triying to port and figure out how to make the port work. So my point here is that you love Microsoft and the way you describe there system is clearly that you love that company, also I didnt know activision was the biggest game publisher I thought it was EA. And when you talked about conversion it sounded like there is no option like buy a 360 is more cheaper adn dont support Sony, by the way I think activision is bluffing so sony gets scare and reduce the price also Capcom confirms that they have no plans on quiting the support to sony when there games sell very well in PSP and PS3 so ithink its a matter of quality of the games tha make activison be in this position not sales like they put it.
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6/22/2009 6:31:05 PM
Fanboy Article...STOP! by Fanboys_BadKIDS!
I have 360 & Ps3 and stop saying ps3 sucks coz its not true , it has great games , so great as x360 so shut up losers!
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6/22/2009 7:04:49 PM
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It's funny what a little bit of research does in proving people wrong. Obviously the xbox fanboys are getting sick of Halo 3 and have nothing else to do so they'll just throw out any baseless article to discredit the PS3.
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6/22/2009 7:51:28 PM
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I agree, Brian. Their decision to remove backwards compatibility and remove hardware functionality has only confused the consumer. To the previous reply, the 360 has had massive problems in the past, but the current models are solid. I do agree with you on the HDD prices though. I haven't worried about wireless, because wired is the way to go for online gaming. My big problem with the PS3 is the cheap feel of the controller. The 360 controller is the most comfortable one that I have ever used. Just an opinion.
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6/22/2009 7:53:47 PM
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Programming for the PS3 is more complex and costly. Even the developers who are PS3 exclusive concede that. Have your opinions, but don't be so closed minded.
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6/22/2009 7:57:19 PM
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Sony lost 587 million in their gaming division last year and still lose $40 - $75 per system they sell. I have also seen those numbers, but you have to pay attention. In many of those reports, the Sony numbers are PSP, PS2 and PS3 combined, as opposed to the Microsoft numbers being 360 only.
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6/22/2009 8:00:14 PM
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He is right about the RSX. Research the technical articles comparing the two GPUs. It is not an opinion. The PS3 does many, many things better than the 360, but it does indeed have an inferior GPU.
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6/22/2009 8:36:03 PM
Sony Fanboys by sAnZee
Sony Fanboys ARE touchy these days. Can you blame them though? Their in f*cking 3rd place. They don't even have launch parties for their games. I work at gamestop and NOBODY buys PS3 stuff it's insane.
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6/22/2009 9:34:34 PM
Get a life, all of you by Alipunch
Why does anybody care how easy/hard a console is to program for?!   I don't care how many processor cycles are going on in my Panasonic Plasma when I'm watching a movie?  Why should anybody care?  Do I care what the polymer is they used in my checkers set?  How about the BTU's of heat generated by my tires when I am going 75 mph on the highway.  Just play the damn game!


YOU'RE ALL WHORES TO PRESS RELEASES!  
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6/22/2009 10:41:33 PM
by ettaj
Sak, you are a biased guy, like the one who wrote that article, when people try to explain what is wrong, they are not fanbooy, but just the one who works agaisnt fanboyz, like ms bullshiters.
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6/22/2009 10:42:25 PM
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Better to have your numbers increased from people using it to play movies than having to buy new ones when they break... same with discs, since blu-ray doesn't scratch. So with console sales increased due to rebuys, disc sales inscreased largely from rebuys (gamefly, blockbuster etc), and the over all morons who think the 360 is cheaper, then I agree that the 360 is king this gen, the king of ripping people off to make money. Enjoy the graphics my pc had 5 years ago on your exclusives though.
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6/22/2009 10:42:30 PM
The pricing truth by kirobz
I just love it when moronic people say that the ps3 is way too high because the xbox360 is just $200, and the Wii is $250.

I just bought my ps3 last feb. I now have 11 wonderful games and still catching up with the great games that I missed.

First and formost, I was actually leaning on the 360 before I bought mine. Why? Because of the illusional $300 price for the pro version. And they also released a new elite bundle that time with RE5. It made me more interested to the 360. As I have the first xbox (which died in RRoD). I did a little research if its still happening. And I was shocked as the numbers was really high. Most of my cousins sent theirs like 3 times already. While one of my cousin, who I use to play his 360 always didnt have RRoD, although it froze more often than not.

But hey, $400 elite with RE5 looks nice. But without wireless, I need to spend $100 more, and another $50 for the XBLive fee (which I would like to spend on buying games).

My wife, ofcourse wanted a Wii. Which she was supposed to give me one on my birthday/christmas (my birthday is Dec.24, it sucks, believe me.). But without good games I just told her to get me Rockband for ps2.

It all comes down to the $300 xbox vs $400 xbox vs $400 ps3 vs $500 ps3. If I would spend $400 for the xbox without wireless and additional XBL fee. I would spend around $600 (extra controller ofc). As opposed to if I buy the $400 ps3, I would only spend $455 with extra controller. I got $145 more to spend more on games and less on gimicky marketing.

I bought the ps3 at the time where bestbuy offered one free game with the purchase of a ps3 console. I got to choose between KZ2, LBP, NBL: the show '09. So, I got my ps3 with KZ2, a extra controller and NBA 2k9 for $500.

Now, tell me. Even if without the KZ2 offer, the $400 version of the ps3 is still a better deal than the $400 elite xbox. And I would also not worry about my console froze, crashes, and the worse "RRoD". And I also benefit from the more quieter run of the ps3 as my I play on it when my baby is asleep (I could literally hear my cousin's xbox from the other room).
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6/22/2009 10:50:12 PM
by Tim Larkin
Many quote the "23 million" number of PS3s. But, the reality is that many of them also own 360s. So, to add salt to Sony's wound, people buy a PS3 for MGS4, and then buy all multi-platform games for their 360. Why? Xbox Live, Achievements, and more polished versions. It would have been better for Sony if they didn't buy a PS3 at all.
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6/22/2009 11:46:29 PM
You clearly can't read by Anthony
He says: “It has proved to be probably the biggest loss maker in the history of video gaming.”

Just pulled that out of his ass. No source for that part, though he does link to the losses Sony has has, but no other numbers to compare it to before making the above statement.

Time to get pissed: if you click that link, it reveals that Microsoft lost $4 billion on the Xbox. But Sony has lost $3 billion…so how can he say this:

“It has proved to be probably the biggest loss maker in the history of video gaming.”

For real????? WTF?????
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6/22/2009 11:59:08 PM
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The reality are facts. How many working XBox 360units manufactured in 2005-early2006 can be found? I hanen't seen em at all already from 2008. They are 6-7 millions. They all have been replaced. So THE REAL PARK of working XBox360s differs from units sold. 25-26 millions? Even less. I, pesonally, have to buy 3 XBoxes but I don't expatiate about XBox worthless, I just play games. If you gonna play facts play them fair then.
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6/23/2009 12:10:28 AM
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Funny that you look at the numbers for a total year to make your point. If you "do a little research", you will find that the PS3 was dominating to start 2008 and by the end of the year was reeling. this trend is continuing into 2009. the PS3 might have more console specific titles this year(because of the development timeline), but not next... The publishers can see the trends and will avoid not going multiplatform!
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6/23/2009 12:16:57 AM
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OOPS!!! another lack of "Research" in a comment. Try heading to VGchartz.com this site has some info for you to look at. In Japan, the PS3 is selling 9-10K per week and the lowely 360 is selling 7-8k per week(only a 2-3K per week difference in the homeland... Also, in Europe and the US, the XBOX is outselling the PS3 by 8-10K per week in EACH region. Over the past 12 months, the XBOX360 has outsold the PS3 by over a million units!!!!
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6/23/2009 12:23:34 AM
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I would agree with his post by saying that it is unfortunate that the PS3 only games seem to flounder(poor ad support) and small userbase. Every title should be multiplatform, and then let us consumers decide. I have all three current Gen consoles and each has their own merits... Wii for family/group games, the 360 for indiviual or sports games and the PS# for a BluRay player and an occasional demo of a game that i won't bother to pay $60 for...
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6/23/2009 12:51:36 AM
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actually Insomniac probably one of the biggest PS3 developers out there has state that the PS3 is easier to program for than the PS2 you just have to know what you are doing with it and it will make some AMAZING stuff and that is why all the First part or PS3 exclusive games for PS3 look WAY better than 360
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6/23/2009 12:57:51 AM
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http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=X360®3=All&weeks=190&gr_i_ni i always have to bring this out. as you can see the PS3 has sold more than the 360 at this point in its life time and the ONLY reason the 360 has more consoles out there is because it had a year head start. now as far as 2008 goes the ONLY reason the 360 started to sell more is because of the price cut that happened funny how you dont mention that in your numbers and yes i will agree that Sony does need a price cut for the PS3 but as soon as that happens PS3's will be selling way better than the 360 once again
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6/23/2009 1:01:09 AM
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i do find it funny how there is no mention from activison about the PS2 and how that prob makes more money per game than the 360 does or w/e but who cares you know. and i want to know how many of those game are like over 80% or w/e cuz that is the true test to how good the games are not how many you have but now many you have that people actually want to play
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6/23/2009 1:04:54 AM
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actually the PS3 is about 10 million shy of the PS2 at this point they were even for about a year and a half then in year two BAM there goes the PS2, however it is about 3 million higher than the 360 at this point in the is lifecycle http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=X360®3=All&weeks=168&gr_i_ni
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6/23/2009 1:13:54 AM
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i think the PS3 only games just sell poorly because they are marketed poorly i mean Sony is just not doing very well with the ads and stuff like inFAMOUS was the most hyped game from Sony as far as ads go and to me it wasnt even close to enough they barely showed that but like M$ just has ad after ad on tv and on sites of this stuff. and if you look at the nitty gritty you will see that the PS3 is cheaper i mean seriously 50 bucks a year to play online? and 150 for 120 GB hard drive? 100 for wireless (this along puts you at price of PS3)
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6/23/2009 1:15:40 AM
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Yeah more and more companies have been using the PS3 as lead platform lately and it is really nice to see but i believe that FF13 was made independently on the 360 and PS3 and was not ported to either
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6/23/2009 4:47:24 AM
No! by Xbot

Anti-Sony Defense Force active !!!!!
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6/23/2009 5:52:07 AM
It's 2009 now, buddy. by Dion

I'm sorry, but this article seems like it's written from a person living in the year 2007. Sure, you're right about the PlayStation 3 being expensive to develop for, but the majority of this article seems to be complete rubbish.

"In the real world very few games are actually developed for the PS3. They are mainly developed for the Xbox 360 and then converted to run on the PS3." - For example. Modern Warfare 2 is being developed for PlayStation 3, then ported to the Xbox 360. Final Fantasy 13 is being developed on PlayStation 3, then ported to the Xbox 360.

Count up all the GOOD exclusive games, and Sony's line-up knocks Microsoft's big time. And no, you can't argue with that. Why? Cause it's a fact. Anyone that argues with it is a complete idiot.

Activision is also bluffing in my opinion. They won't stop, they can't. They make heaps of money off the system, not as much as the other platforms, but still a lot. I'm not worried about it, anyway. Most publishers make more money off the PlayStation 3.

"No surprise then that Metacritic lists 645 games for the Xbox 360 against 425 for the Wii and only 351 for the Sony Playstation PS3." - Are you forgetting that the Xbox 360 was released 1 year before the PlayStation 3? Are you also forgetting that, in terms of an average score of 85 or higher on Metacritic, in 2008, PlayStation 3 was better, s it had more games on an average score of 85 or higher. This point was proven by IGN.

To be honest, you're living in the past, dude. It is now 2009, as I have made clear earlier. The fact is, Sony's exclusive line-up remains UNCHALLENGED, and the fact that you can only try and justify the Xbox 360 in terms of how many, and not how good, the games for the system are, then that is very, very sad.

God of War 3, Uncharted 2, MAG, Ratchet & Clank: A Crack in Time, Gran Turismo 5, Heavy Rain and Final Fantasy Versus 13. And recently announced, Agent (Rockstar North exclusive) and The Last Guardian (Team ICO). Seriously, Microsoft is owned.

Microsoft is the past, Sony is the future. Think about that.

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6/23/2009 6:25:02 AM
It's 2009 now, buddy. by Dion
As it had more*.
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6/23/2009 6:34:13 AM
by west
No of course not. Stop developing for the PS3 already, it's not worth it.
LOL, articles like this are killing me!! :)
Rock on dude..
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6/23/2009 7:02:36 AM
YEAH RIGHT!! by John

Oh yeah, what a failure the PS3 is!! Has the BEST looking games ever seen on a console and is selling quicker than the 360 is the same time span!! So the question should be 'How is it NOT worth it to develop on the PS3'? All these devs complaining about how hard is it to develop for need to take their finger outta their butts and put some work in!! those kind of devs are bringing us backwards with their pathetic games (Valve, Bungie).
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6/23/2009 7:16:02 AM
This Article & The Fanboys Are Pure Bullshit by Thissiteisshit

Pure bullshit.

Uncharted
Uncharted 2
Resistance 
Resistance 2
InFamous
Killzone 2
God of War 3
MAG
Heavy Rain
LBP
Valkyria Chronicles
Warhawk
MGS4
GT5
R&C
WKC
Heavenly Sword

Those are a few of the stunning PS3 exclusives. You can't deny that Sony has the best lineup for 2009. The writer of the 'article' is a complete joke and just wants to get some traffic to this shit site.

Xbots do make me laugh

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6/23/2009 9:21:35 AM
You should have restricted comments. by Rob
Never leave the comments section to an article criticizing the PS3 open to anybody.  Make it register only.  The Sony blind are shocking.  Interesting read though!
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6/23/2009 11:16:45 AM
by chris
1st of all you Xbox fanboys need 2 shut up.Look @ the big picture,the PS3 has sold more systems than 360 in the amount of time it's been on the market,not 2 mention 360 has been on market for 3.5 yrs,and yet PS3 is 8 mil. behind.Yeah well still look @ how blind you morons really are,you state your Xbox is better cause it's cheaper but RRod is imminent.Are you blind people, the PS3's the better deal,not to mention it has a 0.2% failure rate.I'm not gonna lie,I own all 3 current gen. systems.My PS3 being the 60 GB,very few people I know had to send their PS3's in 4 repair,they get it back n 2 weeks.
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6/23/2009 11:31:22 AM
by chris

1st of all you Xbox fanboys need 2 shut up.Look @ the big picture,the PS3 has sold more systems than 360 in the amount of time it's been on the market,not 2 mention 360 has been on market for 3.5 yrs,and yet PS3 is 8 mil. behind.Yeah well still look @ how blind you morons really are,you state your Xbox is better cause it's cheaper but RRod is imminent.Are you blind people, the PS3's the better deal,not to mention it has a 0.2% failure rate.I'm not gonna lie,I own all 3 current gen. systems.My PS3 being the 60 GB,very few people I know had to send their PS3's in 4 repair,they get it back n 2 weeks.time.Most of my friends also have a 360,and are tired of M$ bull.I 4 sure am,you say  better is ceaper,but that's not true.You lie & rip peopleofnot2mentionb that some of my friends have gone through 4-5 360's in the amount of money spent to have just a 60 GB PS3,and not have itfail  on you.M$ you are a shame,wish you good F*cking luck next gen. cause the PS4 will be thecheaper console  tthat has all of the PS3 technology integrated into it,the PS4 will be 4x more powerful containing 32 cores instead of 8,and it will be cheaper to manufacture,and easier to make games for like the PS2 was.in case you're wondering I found official leaked PS4 specs that prove SONY is currently working on the PS4,I predict that when the PS4 comes out it will be $400 fully backwards compatible,featuring a blu-ray drive,wi-fi,and a even more revamped pumped up graphics processor that will be 100% more improved than the PS3's when it reaches it's full potential. Don't doubt SONY they always have the comebacks late in the console war.Also i wouldn't be surprised that when a PS3 price cut is issued, it will be fully backwards compatible once again. The PS3 is the best of all 3 systems,and so the PS4 will be, in fact SONY plans on launching it in 2011.

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6/23/2009 1:03:47 PM
not true by freaking fanboy
first off this guy is a total freaking wii fan. and just to let you know dumb shit !! the xbox 360 has the rrod which makes it look like it poorly design and the fact that microsoft has already loss billions of dollar because of this mistake. remember what happen to last generation?? the xbox had better graphics and live while ps2 nothing and it was hard to develop too. but what happen the ps2 in the end wins and it took 10 years. it been 3 years only. you call it hard to develop i say you re a dumbass. you said it poorly design. i say you havent you at the mirror lately. you dont what is the true meanly of being a gamer if you dont even get the fact straight. and dont tell me your not a fanboy becuase you havent said a bad stuff about the wii and the xbox360. what up?
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6/23/2009 1:46:24 PM
Clarifications by Wildreamz

“simple, elegant, architecture”
Interesting that he has the undertone that the Xbox is the “winner” of the console war because of this. I believe regarding simplicity, the wii will be much more simple to program. The current leader is the Wii and the 360 and the PS3 is more or less the same considering the fact that the 360 is launched 1 year before the PS3.

The number of games available for each system is also questionable:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_games 684
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games 557

Isn’t that much of a lead huh considering the 1 year head start?

Finally, is the variety of games a good indicator of.. how good a console is? Perhaps. But not the absolute quantity of variety, but rather, the quality(if you are a gamer) and quantity sold(if you are the company).

The wii is currently the clear cut winner in terms of profit making. But the PS3 is the leading console for quality games. Judging from the recent and recently announced exclusive titles, the PS3 list seems more promising(Uncharted 2, God of War III, FFXIII versus, FFIV, Ninja Gaiden Sigma II, InFamous, Killzone 2, MAG, Heavy Rain).

The PS2 has a base of 130 million hardcore gamers, even adding up all 3 7th gen consoles sales, (PS3)22m + (360)30m +(wii)50m doesn’t match that. Moreover, the wii has neglected lots of their base(gamers) while they profit greatly from a new market(non-gamers).

Now if Microsoft and Sony were to expand into motion-sensing, they would very well penetrate into the non-gamer market. Either way, it will probably have a great impact on wii’s dominance in the market. Sony is less likely out of the 3 though, to forget its base due to the apparent extra emphasis on quality games(high precision motion control) interaction.

From what it looks, Sony(and PS3 fans) seems to have a prospective 2010, much more than Microsoft or Nintendo. Sony has a more “future proof” hardware, given the rapid advancement in computing technology, though it does requires extra effort for developers to develop games for it, and the returns may not be immediate. But ultimately, I believe it is worth-while since its fan base is set to grow soon.

Lastly just some technical correction, “It has a quirky new CPU architecture and a poor GPU which acts as a bottleneck, hobbling the capabilities of the machine.”

Just stating it is “quirky” isn’t much of a fair statement. It is true that the Cell is difficult to program for since it is a completely new technology. But having 7 processors over 360’s 3 processors translate almost to twice the computing power. The GPU is not poorer per se. The main problem is with the video ram distribution. 360 has a unified ram between CPU and GPU, which means if the situation calls for, the xbox can use more than 256 ram for the GPU and less for CPU, but the total amount is the same. MOREOVER, the ram speed of the ps3 is 3.2ghz compared to 700mhz on the 360. Added to the fact that the PS3 Cell is a much more superior CPU(7core vs 3, all clocked at 3.2ghz) than the Xenos, the PS3 is definitely much more powerful, technically, and could support much higher graphic quality when developers start to learn to utilize it. This is very much evident in exclusive games such as Uncharted, MGS4 and Killzone2(of those already released), there is hardly an xbox360 title that matches that kind of quality.

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6/23/2009 2:43:42 PM
This article is funny. by Cristiano
To say the GPU is a bottleneck in the PS3 is just flat out ignorant. Without getting into any technical details, just look at the games. Uncharted, MGS4, Gran Turismo, ...

Now, I cant believe people is complaining about the price. I paid $400 for mine and $100 extra for a 500gb hdd. In the other hand, I am now on my third 360, yep my previous two red ringed. I am lucky I was still in store warranty. The first one broke in 8 months and the seconds lasted a bit more than a year.   
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6/23/2009 3:23:20 PM
by NotoriousWarrior
is it worth writing this article?

That should be the title.
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6/23/2009 5:29:25 PM
Is this joke journalism? by davo
What a load of rubbish! Not selling well... why has the PS3 spent a large percentage of it's time outselling the 360 worldwide and is currently selling slightly above or the same as the 360 if you look at the NPD and the japan unit sales.

Secondly one look at activisions financial report would suggest they won't be cutting off sony, not the PS3, the PS2... and well they don't mention the PSP specifically just lumber it in with "handhelds". That coupled with the fact that almost all the other big third party publishers are actually gettingthe highest percentage of their income from the PS3 software sales (EA, 2K games, konami, ubisoft, capcom) despite the smaller install base so it's not like the big numbers aren't achieveable.

Adding up the number of games for each console? You realise they didn't come out at the same time right? Why don't you count the number of exclusives on each console? I imagine it will be much closer than you think. If you're going to bring in metacritic why does the PS3 have more higher rated (70 and above, 75 and above, 80 and above) than any other console?

This is such a bad article it must be said.
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6/24/2009 12:50:55 AM
The bygone era... by Necromantik
Its difficult to retort when "facts" are clearly compromised.  I suppose its easy to mention Koticks irreverent comments about the failure of ps3 when just recently Activisions head stated "the xbox 360 is maxed out" just last month.  Havent we all learned yet that this generation has gone waaayyy beyond Nintendo/Sega days?  Its now a question of American companies vs Japanese consortiums.  I personally have always loved playstation, not just from a design point of view but from a connection with the whole Japanese culture in videogames.  If anybody really believes that the same company responsible for putting windows on everybodys pc is not going to cut corners and exploit the masses they are blind.  This company has reduced the costs to get an Xbox 360 in every home and dominate a market which they will then direct.  I dont want to say goodbye to originality in videogames, the death of FF or shadow of the colossus to be replaced by a thousand first person shooters and strategic crap.  Yes Microsoft has the money to throw at tv campaigns, but at what cost to art.  Im certain they wouldnt authorise a game like Killer7 if they had ultimate control. They can pay their way towards getting exclusives but it will be us, the consumer, who will carry the ultimate cost.
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