Macedonia Defending Its Interests From Greek "Aggressive Approach" - FM
Saturday, August 02, 2008 5:53 AM
Excerpt from report by Macedonian newspaper Dnevnik on 1 August

[Interview with Foreign Minister Antonio Milososki by Zana P. Bozinovska; place and date not given: "We Are Defending Nation From Greek Aggression"]

[Passage omitted on Dnevnik introduction]

[Bozinovska] A potential Greek blockade would not come as a surprise, because it has announced on several occasions that, unless a solution to the name dispute is reached, it will impose a veto on our EU accession, too. What are you going to do then?

[Milososki] We will first focus on what has been established as our objective, that is, to meet the European Commission's criteria. The commission is the guard of the EU agreements, so we believe that, for the sake of its own credibility, as well as to keep the doors open to the EU integration process, it will be an institution that will make the relevant assessments and recommendations and that the European Council will decide on the basis of this. In any event, if Athens decides to block us, this decision will impact Greece's internal political developments, related to their disproportion of political forces and internal political problems, but this will not be the Republic of Macedonia's responsibility. Macedonia cannot convince Athens that the policy of blockade is a strategy that is not useful either for it or the region.

Force of Arguments

[Bozinovska] Do you still believe that we can catch the NATO train, although "the deadline" of 9 July that the NATO secretary general pointed out has expired?

[Milososki] It is not questionable whether we belong to NATO, because it has been confirmed that we belong there, but it is a matter of time and more favourable circumstances for this to happen. More favourable circumstances means a more positive, more constructive, and more broadminded approach by Athens in terms of NATO's strategic determination for its expansion. This should be an approach in which the open bilateral issues will not be abused. With our engagement in the UN-mediated name talks, we will do our utmost to attain this common goal. Still, I will repeat that we have been doing and will continue to do the things that depend on us. Yet, we cannot bear the responsibility for the things that depend on someone else and for certain irrational and futile assessments by other states, in this case by neighbouring Greece.

[Bozinovska] Greece is showing no signs of intending to give in regarding this case. Have we come to terms with the fact that we will have to wait for another date to join NATO in one or two years or when the dispute is solved?

[Milososki] We can in no event accept that the dispute should be resolved at any cost. This dispute is not of secondary, but of primary importance for Macedonia's national interests. Hence, I believe that we should retain our principles and national interests regarding our constitutional name in this respect.


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Title: More Milososki Rhetoric
Posted by: zk
Aug 02, 2008 10:34
It is very interesting to read Mr Milososki toned down rhetoric on the issues that plague the diplomatic relations between Athens and Skopjie. It seems that the recent "proding" of the US Ambassador in Skopjie towards Mr Gruevksi's administration on the topics of "macedonian minorities" in regions of the Balkans, and letters sent to international agencies is starting to backfire as the plight of the Albanian populations in the West and Bulgarian minorities in the East of FYROM/Republic of Macedonia are starting to be addressed instead.....While mentioning a "reasonable solution" for the people of FYROM/Republic of Macedonia is being by pursued PM Gruevski and FM Milososki, public displays of ultranationalistic behaviour by this very administration shows that this is a direction that is not honestly pursued.......If "reasonable" efforts were being followed, the administration would not be bringing Pakistani tribespeople to skopjie, claiming their are "relatives" to people living in Skopjie and "descendants of Alexander", even if there is NO GENETIC or LINGUISTIC relation and evidence present, thus falsifying their geographic exapnsionistic claims to Greece, Bulgaria and Albania........The Bulgarian "minority" in the east would not be dealing with the erradication of their history and presence in the region by state police. Bulgarian "minorites" are returning to Bulgaria, renouncing their "Macedonian Origin" and signing sworn affidativits proclaiming their Bulgarian ORIGIN, in order to obtain their EU documentation and citizenship............Finally, Mr Milososki's explanation as to why the Kosovo nation is not recognized by the current FYROM/Republic of Macedonia political establishment is laughable at best. With a constantly growing 35-40% Albanian population in all of FYROM/Republic of Macedonia, a recognition of Kosovo would lead to a new uprising of the Albanian "minority" (as they are refered to) similar to 2001. The goal of the Albanians would be to have their regions that they inhabit annexed by Kosovo as the "democratic elections" of June 2008 in the FYROM/Republic of Macedonia was marred by violence in the albanian regions as public police forces were internationally criticized for ballot stuffing, bullying, and inciting violence in the Albanian populations, leading to the shooting death of one, and serious injuries of many others. This lead to the well doucmented second ballot in the west of the nation.........The stalling for Kosovo's recognition, and the recent rejection of accepting Kosovar Albanian passports is based on the fears that the Albanian population within FYROM/Republic of Macedonia will decide to ask for their legitimate rights and ownership of the territories within FYROM/Republic of Macedonia as the current administration shows clear disdain for the "freedoms", "rights" and "heritage" of the albanians and bulgarians within their nation, while making unsubstantiated claims and expansionistic rhetoric to all the surrounding areas.....Europe does not need representatives like PM Gruevski and FM Milososki dictating to the people of the Balkan regions on the ethical treatment of others, especially when they show total disregard to the "minorities" within the boundaries of their own nation.....
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Title: Milososki Chage of Heart/more Rhetoric
Posted by: zk
Aug 02, 2008 11:09
It is very interesting to read Mr Milososki toned down rhetoric on the issues that plague the diplomatic relations between Athens and Skopjie. It seems that the recent "proding" of the US Ambassador in Skopjie towards Mr Gruevksi's administration on the topics of "macedonian minorities" in regions of the Balkans, and letters sent to international agencies is starting to backfire as the plight of the Albanian populations in the West and Bulgarian minorities in the East of FYROM/Republic of Macedonia are starting to be addressed instead..... While mentioning a "reasonable solution" for the people of FYROM/Republic of Macedonia is being by pursued PM Gruevski and FM Milososki, public displays of ultranationalistic behaviour by this very administration shows that this is a direction that is not honestly pursued....... If "reasonable" efforts were being followed, the administration would not be bringing Pakistani tribespeople to skopjie, claiming their are "relatives" to people living in Skopjie and "descendants of Alexander", even if there is NO GENETIC or LINGUISTIC relation and evidence present, thus falsifying their geographic exapnsionistic claims to Greece, Bulgaria and Albania........ The Bulgarian "minority" in the east would not be dealing with the erradication of their history and presence in the region by state police. Bulgarian "minorites" are returning to Bulgaria, renouncing their "Macedonian Origin" and signing sworn affidativits proclaiming their Bulgarian ORIGIN, in order to obtain their EU documentation and citizenship.......... Finally, Mr Milososki's explanation as to why the Kosovo nation is not recognized by the current FYROM/Republic of Macedonia political establishment is laughable at best. With a constantly growing 35-40% Albanian population in all of FYROM/Republic of Macedonia, a recognition of Kosovo would lead to a new uprising of the Albanian "minority" (as they are refered to) similar to 2001. The goal of the Albanians would be to have their regions that they inhabit annexed by Kosovo as the "democratic elections" of June 2008 in the FYROM/Republic of Macedonia was marred by violence in the albanian regions as public police forces were internationally criticized for ballot stuffing, bullying, and inciting violence in the Albanian populations, leading to the shooting death of one, and serious injuries of many others. This lead to the well doucmented second ballot in the west of the nation......... The stalling for Kosovo's recognition, and the recent rejection of accepting Kosovar Albanian passports is based on the fears that the Albanian population within FYROM/Republic of Macedonia will decide to ask for their legitimate rights and ownership of the territories within FYROM/Republic of Macedonia as the current administration shows clear disdain for the "freedoms", "rights" and "heritage" of the albanians and bulgarians within their nation, while making unsubstantiated claims and expansionistic rhetoric to all the surrounding areas..... Europe does not need representatives like PM Gruevski and FM Milososki dictating to the people of the Balkan regions on the ethical treatment of others, especially when they show total disregard to the "minorities" within the boundaries of their own nation....
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Title: Nothing new!
Posted by: Kastor
Aug 03, 2008 19:10
The former Yusgoslavs havnt learnt anything from the last 15 years, they believe sticking to the same rhetorict will get them a new result obviously if you dont change your actions than the results will be the same. If a Greek citizen wants to learn a different language who can stop them in this day and age as there are literaly 100's of mediums to achieve this, to accuse Greece of stopping its citizens from learning or speaking other languages is a poor attempt at propoganda and hatred but this has been Gruevski's strategy all along.
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Title: Macedonia defending its interests
Posted by: peter
Aug 03, 2008 23:56
The treaty of Serves which Greece signed earlier on August 10th 1920.According to conditions of the Treaty,under Articles 7,8 and 9, the Greek government was to undertake certain obligations regarding"the protection of the non-Greek national minotities in Greece. These Articles specifically stated free use of languages and education.Initially Greece sought to neglect its obligatios,however in March 1925 the League of Nations directed greece to fulfill its obligations. By May 1925 an elementary school reader was published in the Macedonian language, it was known as the Abecedar.The Abecedar was to be used by Macedonian children in Macedonian schools which were yet to open in Aegean Macedonia.The Serbs and Bulgarians strongly objected.Both Serbia and Bulgaria were caught by suprise,both were furious that the Abecedar was not printed in Serbian or Bulgarian resprctivaly.Serbia threatend to break its treaty of Alliance with Greece and to commence negotiations with Bulgaria for the division of Aegean Macedonia.Bulgaria protested that they signrd an Accord with Greece which recognized the Macedonian as Bulgarians.What occurred next is truly a rare example,the Greek representative at the League of Nations Vasilis dendramis responded by defending the Macedonian language as being"Neigther Bulgarian,nor Serbian but an independent language".He listed various linguists and linguistic maps as evidence to support his claim of the independence of the Macedonian language.The high ranking greek official representing the Greek State not only recognized the existance of Macedonian identity,but openlt defended and supported it.From the Serbian and Bulgarian objections, together with internal opposistion in Greece prevented the abecedar from ever reaching the Macedonian children. The Abecedar was destroyed, but remaines as a reminder to the Greek government of the Macedonians as a separate national entity.Rizospastis published a lengthy article on the position of the Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia.On Nov. 1932 clearly describing the level of Macedonian awarness: What we have in Macedonia are neigther Greek nor bulgarians nor Serbs but the Macedonian people,the Macedonian minority which,in spite of all the blows and in spite of all the repression,preserves its economic and its national existance and a seperate culture.:Another corenspondent states"It is these Macedonians who clench their teeth,stabbornly speak their Macedonian language of their own for a free Macedonia"Ex-Premier of Greece Constantinos Mitsotakis in 1995 said"The problem with Macedonia was not the name but the Macedonian minority in Greece.The problem for me was how to avoid creating a second minority problem in Western Macedonia.If the problem of the Slavo-Macedonian minority in Western Macedonia is added to the Muslim minority, which sadly, with our errors is a dangerous development,the situation will becom unsustanable for Greek external politics"... emphasized the former Greek Premier in the introduction of T.Skinakis book"For the name of Macedonia"The announcement in the State Department report for Human Rights in 1991 for the first time mentioned the existance of a Macedonian identity in Greece, was of particular concern to Mitsotakis. It has always been Greeces aim to have Macedonia denounce the Macedonian minority in Greece and to force Macedonia to accept international binding agreemrnts that a Macedonian minority in Greece does not exist and to cease all propaganda aimed at Greece"Outside to official Athens however,there are some Greek intelectuals who have entirely different views on the name dispute.Athena Skoulariki a sociology professor at the University of Crete,says that Greece is tangled in a strategic dead end.In the course of the last 16 years we have lost one battle after another and still have not seriously considered what we are doing wrong.Why is the outside World not supporting the Greek thesis on this issue? Why after so many years of trying has Greece not succeeded in convincing the international public?"asks professor Skoulariki According to Skoulariki the Greek arguments are not convincing because it is a fundamental right of all people to freely choose their name. We insist that our neighbor has no right to use the name Macedonia,ignoring the fact that durring the 19th and 20th cencury there was a wider region called Macedonia."
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Title: This foreign minister says it all by himself...
Posted by: Pavlos
Aug 04, 2008 15:13
This young boy (I can not even characterize him as a proper foreigh minister of a country) claims to the international community that he wants to keep negotiating with Greece, he wants to promote peace and stable relations between the two countries. and to establish a good neighbouring relations between the two countries. This is what he, and the other boy (Gruevsky) claims to foreign leaders and politicians when he talks abouth the name dispute. However if you just listen his statements, it is more than obvious that the only thing they want to achieve is jeopardise the negotiations by using aggresive language, insults and offensive characterizations about the Greek goverment and the Hellenic State. With statements like:""Greek attempts to violate right to self-determination"" or better like: ""It is obvious that Greece's ultimate goal is to jeopardize these basic human and national rights to which every nation in the world, including the Macedonian, are entitled"".......how is someone really negotiating with someone and wants to promote "friendship" with him when he talks like that??? What Greece claims is that, the FYROM goverment is using a nationalistic hostile behaviour against the Hellenic State, and that they only think they care about is how they will jeopardise the negotiation process by any means, in order NOT to change their name. Only by listening FYROM's foreign minister (he does not even have the diplomatic experience to watch the way he speaks...) everybody can understand how right the Greek claims are, and how "friendly" and "peaceful" FYROM's behaviour towards Greece really is. Everybody can know understand, why Greece blocked FYROM's entrance to NATO some months ago. Everybody can see, how "friendly" and "peaceful" the far-right nationalistic VMRO goeverment really is...
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Title: skopia joke
Posted by: con smith
Aug 09, 2008 03:35
You want a country and nation drop the name macedonia and it will be achieve are you guys dumb or want macedonia is part of greece culture history 5000 years ago slavs macedonia hehehe bulgarians
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Title: Macedonia defends its interest
Posted by: Peter
Aug 13, 2008 20:28
On September 3,1903 in the New York archives the Greek PM using insolent thetoric to boast about how Greece helped Turkey to suffocate the Ilinden Uprising. The response is simple,he said"Before us we have a pack of wolves which attacked Macedonia.To destroy them not only will we join forces with Yurkey but we are prepaired to do anything to protect our interests. We are not prepaired to take into consideration those who resist our cooperation with Tturkey for commercial reasons,but we will follow the course of our arranged politics" concluded Greek PM Ralis.In a similar New York Times we read" The Greek stand to help Turkey againts the Macedonians revolutioneries some time ago found strong critisism in French and English newspapers"In another article it said that the Greek government helped the Turkish Sultan through its consul in Macedonia by asking the greek people to spy on the Macedonians revolutioneries and report them to the Turkish authorities."Heroic Macedonians strugle for freedom"by Charles Crain published on Dec.3,1903 provides a review of the Macedonian revolutionary movement and marks the characteristic of the Macedonian ethnos"In the several years the organization was dominated by the leaders Delchev,Gruev,Giorche Petrov and Tatarchev.The Macedonians adopted Gladstons words"Macedonia for the Macedonians" as their motto.They differentiated themselfs from the Bulgarians and from those Macedonians who lived in Bulgaria says Crain.The subtitle of the text says"The revolutionary Cheti have adopted a system of operating-Turkish soldiers are afraid of them and avoid battles, the women fighters are just as courageous as the men.Every Greek consecutive governmenthas acted in the same manner in reasont history,for example;They colloborated with the Nazis durring the second world war,even wore the swastika.They imprisoned the fighters of EAM,who by the way they were the only fighters againts the occupiers.They imprisoned Manolis Glezos for lowering the swastika at Akropole,they imprisoned Kolokotronis at age 75 for 25 years,yet they celebrate him every March 25, isnt this a hypocravy?The only thing Republic of Macedonia wants to live in peace among its neighbours.The Macedonian ethnicity exists for centuries,can not be changed just because Greece says so.Greece must abandon the Macedonian history and admmit the wrong done to the Macedonian people.Greece must bring back the ABECEDAR and start teaching the children of Macedonian ethnicity in Macedonian.Afterall,the Cyrilik alphabet is Macedonian.
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